1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,510 [Music] 2 00:00:08,629 --> 00:00:06,789 there's a whole fleet of them look on 3 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:08,639 the nsa 4 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:10,960 oh my gosh they're all going against the 5 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,390 it was basically a cube with inside of 6 00:00:34,350 --> 00:00:18,960 sphere where the points of the cube 7 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:37,110 [Music] 8 00:00:40,630 --> 00:00:38,719 so this isn't anything that just is 9 00:00:44,070 --> 00:00:40,640 limited to the united states 10 00:00:50,470 --> 00:00:44,080 it's a worldwide phenomenon 11 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:52,950 hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo 12 00:00:57,029 --> 00:00:55,280 podcast as always my name is andy and 13 00:00:58,549 --> 00:00:57,039 i'm very pleased to have this guest on 14 00:01:00,310 --> 00:00:58,559 for what is going to be the one year 15 00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:00,320 anniversary of the podcast 16 00:01:04,149 --> 00:01:02,160 i've had a lot of really cool names on 17 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:04,159 in that time and all of you listening or 18 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:05,519 watching on youtube now 19 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,760 have made guests like this possible i'd 20 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:09,600 like to welcome the owner of skinwalker 21 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:10,080 ranch 22 00:01:14,469 --> 00:01:11,840 brandon fuego brandon welcome to the 23 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:14,479 podcast hey it's good to be with you 24 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:17,520 thank you and happy friday yeah happy 25 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:18,640 friday indeed um 26 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:20,159 thank you very much for joining us and 27 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:21,680 it's great to have a name like yourself 28 00:01:25,990 --> 00:01:23,680 on and the timing is just fantastic 29 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:26,000 um my i was just telling one of the 30 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:27,200 producers from 31 00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:28,880 uh history who's on the call with us 32 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:30,720 that my wife is due to give birth on the 33 00:01:34,230 --> 00:01:31,439 same day 34 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:34,240 skinwalker ran season two ten years so 35 00:01:36,069 --> 00:01:34,720 it's 36 00:01:38,230 --> 00:01:36,079 all kind of ties in quite nicely 37 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:38,240 date-wise as well um 38 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:40,320 so yeah let's get right into i want to 39 00:01:42,789 --> 00:01:42,000 talk about some of the background that's 40 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:42,799 led us 41 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:44,960 to the secret skin walker ranch season 42 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:45,840 two 43 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:48,159 brandon season one introduced us to the 44 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:50,159 ranch in a more intimate way than ever 45 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:50,799 before 46 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:52,479 we got to know the people who live and 47 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:54,479 breathe the experience daily 48 00:01:58,630 --> 00:01:56,640 what was your vision for season one as 49 00:02:02,550 --> 00:01:58,640 you started to develop the idea 50 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:02,560 and did it turn out how you hoped yeah 51 00:02:06,550 --> 00:02:04,960 season one was it was an incredible 52 00:02:08,309 --> 00:02:06,560 experience for all of us and i think it 53 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:08,319 was an unprecedented television 54 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,039 experience 55 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:12,239 to to show the public behind the scenes 56 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:13,920 for the first time 57 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:15,760 you know the most scientifically studied 58 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:17,680 paranormal hotspot on the planet 59 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:20,319 you know for a property that had been in 60 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:22,319 lockdown mode that had been 61 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:25,440 secure for over 20 years uh 62 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:27,599 for purposes of scientific research 63 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:28,959 dealing with the paranormal 64 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:31,840 for that property to be opened up for 65 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:34,480 television cameras for the first time 66 00:02:39,270 --> 00:02:37,599 you know and and filming my team 67 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:39,280 and their efforts and the scientific 68 00:02:43,750 --> 00:02:40,720 investigation on an 69 00:02:45,110 --> 00:02:43,760 hourly basis was was something i think 70 00:02:48,229 --> 00:02:45,120 very special and 71 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:48,239 and i think it was uh it was a unique 72 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:50,400 opportunity to engage the public 73 00:02:55,589 --> 00:02:53,440 and to show for the first time uh 74 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:55,599 very visually what the what the ranch 75 00:03:00,149 --> 00:02:57,120 looks like you know what 76 00:03:02,309 --> 00:03:00,159 what do the old haunting homesteads uh 77 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:02,319 that uh that lie on the property look 78 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:03,120 like and 79 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:05,440 you know what what was it like for the 80 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:07,840 team you know to be able to 81 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:10,720 to to follow dr travis taylor for the 82 00:03:14,470 --> 00:03:11,760 first time 83 00:03:14,869 --> 00:03:14,480 entering the property and seeing through 84 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:14,879 his 85 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:18,560 eyes you know the the incredible 86 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:21,920 striking landscape that uh that his 87 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:24,480 has captured so much interest and 88 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:25,200 attention 89 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:27,200 over decades was was a unique 90 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:29,040 opportunity for all of us and 91 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:31,040 and to do it in an unscripted way i 92 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:32,959 think it's important to note 93 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:36,159 that you know this is real it is a 94 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:37,840 hundred percent true 95 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:41,040 fact and you know not one 96 00:03:45,190 --> 00:03:42,799 of the participants with the exception 97 00:03:47,589 --> 00:03:45,200 of dr taylor had ever 98 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:47,599 been on television ever really had the 99 00:03:51,030 --> 00:03:48,560 intention 100 00:03:52,949 --> 00:03:51,040 of being involved with any type of 101 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:52,959 television effort or media 102 00:03:58,149 --> 00:03:55,840 and so it was it was a new experience 103 00:04:01,589 --> 00:03:58,159 for all of us including myself 104 00:04:02,149 --> 00:04:01,599 to uh to allow you know cameras and to 105 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:02,159 allow 106 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:05,200 for the first time you know the story to 107 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:06,080 be told 108 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:08,239 regarding the ongoing investigation at 109 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:10,560 skinwalker ranch 110 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:12,400 no i'd like to touch on that story you 111 00:04:15,429 --> 00:04:14,560 mentioned so ryan sprague of somewhere 112 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:15,439 in the skies 113 00:04:18,469 --> 00:04:17,120 had a great interview with you just a 114 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:18,479 couple of weeks ago now 115 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:19,919 i would encourage people to go and 116 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:21,600 listen to that he'd done a great intro 117 00:04:23,990 --> 00:04:23,120 package which she sets things up 118 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:24,000 wonderfully 119 00:04:27,749 --> 00:04:25,600 and discusses the background of the 120 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:27,759 ranch with the sherman's bob bigelow and 121 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:28,960 even more 122 00:04:31,510 --> 00:04:30,320 now that's been done and i would 123 00:04:32,950 --> 00:04:31,520 encourage people if they want to hear 124 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:32,960 that detail to go and listen to that 125 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:33,680 interview 126 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:35,759 but could you just summarize brandon how 127 00:04:38,469 --> 00:04:37,120 you did come to be involved with 128 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:38,479 skinwalker ranch 129 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:41,280 you bet you know i acquired the property 130 00:04:46,150 --> 00:04:43,680 in 2016 131 00:04:47,749 --> 00:04:46,160 from uh elusive aerospace billionaire 132 00:04:51,189 --> 00:04:47,759 robert bigelow 133 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:51,199 bigelow aerospace uh after really being 134 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:52,960 introduced to the property through 135 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:54,960 some scientific advisors that i had 136 00:05:00,070 --> 00:04:56,800 worked with a decade ago 137 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:00,080 on a research project in utah 138 00:05:03,670 --> 00:05:02,479 those advisors that unbeknownst to me 139 00:05:06,870 --> 00:05:03,680 had been science 140 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:06,880 advisors to mr bigelow reached out to me 141 00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:10,400 in 2015 with the potential opportunity 142 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:10,880 to 143 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:15,840 potential joint venture or 144 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:18,560 acquisition that would open a new 145 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:19,360 chapter 146 00:05:23,670 --> 00:05:21,360 in the investigation and really pass the 147 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:23,680 stewardship from mr bigelow 148 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:26,720 to to someone else to to in this case of 149 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:28,000 course to me 150 00:05:31,350 --> 00:05:30,320 in order to continue the research and 151 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:31,360 advance 152 00:05:35,590 --> 00:05:33,440 the uh the project that had been funded 153 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:35,600 by not only mr bigelow but the united 154 00:05:39,270 --> 00:05:36,880 states government 155 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:39,280 and the defense department for for 156 00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:39,919 decades 157 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:43,039 you know to take take a a very unique 158 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:44,880 secure piece of property 159 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:47,199 that had been the center of gravity for 160 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:48,240 a pentagon 161 00:05:53,029 --> 00:05:50,800 funded you know black budget program was 162 00:05:55,749 --> 00:05:53,039 a unique opportunity 163 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:55,759 for me but i did buy it as a skeptic i 164 00:06:00,070 --> 00:05:56,639 bought it as a 165 00:06:01,909 --> 00:06:00,080 as someone who had not seen a ufo or a 166 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:01,919 ghost or an orb and was 167 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:05,600 approaching the uh the property 168 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:07,919 as someone who believed that there was 169 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:09,759 most likely a natural prosaic 170 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:10,880 explanation 171 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:13,120 for what had been reported there so you 172 00:06:17,590 --> 00:06:14,240 know with that 173 00:06:19,189 --> 00:06:17,600 uh as the understanding i i closed on 174 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:19,199 the property 175 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:21,360 escorted bigelow security off the 176 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:23,360 property and brought in my own 177 00:06:29,029 --> 00:06:26,560 security detail led by dragon 178 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:29,039 that you see on the the television 179 00:06:32,029 --> 00:06:30,160 series and 180 00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:32,039 a team of scientists a 181 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:33,680 multi-disciplinary group 182 00:06:38,070 --> 00:06:37,360 of professionals that that would bring i 183 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:38,080 think 184 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:41,280 you know a a new focus and 185 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:44,639 energy to the to the site 186 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:47,120 and to the investigation and and to have 187 00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:48,800 this unfold 188 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:52,000 in real time for the general public to 189 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:53,039 see 190 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:55,919 has been it's it has been a very 191 00:07:00,070 --> 00:06:57,039 exciting 192 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:00,080 um opportunity 193 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:02,080 now you seem to have surrounded yourself 194 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:04,080 with family and close friends on the 195 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:05,039 ranch your brother 196 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:07,440 we see as a pilot on the show and a few 197 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:10,080 episodes in season one and in season two 198 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:12,319 uh brian arnold is a childhood friend i 199 00:07:15,589 --> 00:07:13,680 spoke to dragon 200 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:15,599 on the podcast now last year and they 201 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:17,280 spoke glowingly of you and 202 00:07:20,309 --> 00:07:19,120 you know just how honest and genuine you 203 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:20,319 are which of course you would as a 204 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:21,120 friend but 205 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,880 it was really nice and same with thomas 206 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:24,240 winterton as well 207 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:26,880 dr lee you brought on in season two who 208 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:28,720 is a specialist in radiation 209 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:30,720 he has a much fancier title than that 210 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:32,000 but i'm just going to say a specialist 211 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:33,840 in radiation for the listeners 212 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:35,360 and you've mentioned he is a close 213 00:07:39,029 --> 00:07:37,199 friend of yours as well why is it 214 00:07:40,950 --> 00:07:39,039 important that you've got so many close 215 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:40,960 friends and family surrounding you on 216 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:42,160 this venture 217 00:07:47,749 --> 00:07:45,440 yeah good question you know i i 218 00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:47,759 by design i pulled together a closely 219 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:48,720 held 220 00:07:54,469 --> 00:07:51,840 group of of individuals 221 00:07:55,749 --> 00:07:54,479 that i could trust that had no hidden 222 00:07:58,710 --> 00:07:55,759 agendas 223 00:07:59,430 --> 00:07:58,720 that would preserve the integrity of the 224 00:08:03,189 --> 00:07:59,440 research 225 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:03,199 and frankly uh help us protect 226 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:05,919 the uh the integrity of the ranch in the 227 00:08:09,749 --> 00:08:06,800 investigation 228 00:08:10,629 --> 00:08:09,759 you know dr christopher lee who we 229 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:10,639 brought on and 230 00:08:14,710 --> 00:08:13,520 and feature in season two to be unveiled 231 00:08:17,350 --> 00:08:14,720 this next week 232 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:17,360 is a world-renowned radiation oncologist 233 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:18,800 he is he's 234 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:21,520 really at the top of his field when it 235 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:22,160 comes to 236 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:24,960 medical research and you know where we 237 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:26,720 have seen a number 238 00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:29,280 of our team members end up in the 239 00:08:32,949 --> 00:08:30,400 hospital 240 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:32,959 with serious illnesses with with serious 241 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:34,000 injuries that 242 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:36,320 continue to be unexplained and 243 00:08:39,509 --> 00:08:37,440 mysterious 244 00:08:40,949 --> 00:08:39,519 we felt it was important to bring a 245 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:40,959 higher level 246 00:08:44,949 --> 00:08:43,120 of attention to the health and safety 247 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:44,959 protocols on the ranch 248 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:48,720 um you know i i also in bringing 249 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:50,800 these close confidants together i wanted 250 00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:52,080 to bring people 251 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:54,320 that that came from different 252 00:08:57,670 --> 00:08:55,279 backgrounds 253 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:57,680 and different areas of expertise you 254 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:58,800 know jim morse 255 00:09:03,430 --> 00:09:01,200 who is a ranch manager there has known 256 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:03,440 me since i was 18 years old he was my 257 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:03,920 first 258 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,920 big commercial real estate development 259 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:07,440 client yeah 260 00:09:13,269 --> 00:09:10,800 when i was uh 18 years old i jumped into 261 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:13,279 the commercial real estate 262 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:16,080 business and focused on leasing and 263 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:18,240 selling class a office developments and 264 00:09:23,509 --> 00:09:19,920 jim morse at the time 265 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:23,519 was was was breaking ground on a 266 00:09:29,190 --> 00:09:26,800 signature class a office park and and 267 00:09:31,829 --> 00:09:29,200 through that experience of of being 268 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:31,839 engaged with him we we really developed 269 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:34,640 a a close relationship that endures to 270 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:35,760 this day and 271 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:37,360 the thing that he brought to the table 272 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:39,440 was was a 273 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:41,760 a genuine love for the native american 274 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:43,120 cultures 275 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:45,920 the people the indigenous people and a 276 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:47,040 track record of 277 00:09:52,949 --> 00:09:50,320 raising millions of dollars for 278 00:09:55,269 --> 00:09:52,959 indian scholarships for uh you know 279 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:55,279 american indian services 280 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:58,880 and and and really working closely with 281 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:01,680 the tribes to help them with economic 282 00:10:04,550 --> 00:10:02,480 development 283 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,560 and other efforts i i feel that 284 00:10:09,509 --> 00:10:06,640 community engagement has been 285 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:09,519 a big part of our stewardship of this 286 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:10,480 property 287 00:10:14,069 --> 00:10:13,680 and really advancing uh the objectives 288 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:14,079 that 289 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:17,200 beginning but you're right 290 00:10:20,389 --> 00:10:19,120 you know i pulled together a closely 291 00:10:23,190 --> 00:10:20,399 held group of people 292 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:23,200 simply because i i wanted to preserve 293 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:24,560 the integrity 294 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:27,440 of the investigation and bring a a new 295 00:10:31,509 --> 00:10:28,640 level of focus and 296 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:31,519 intensity to it i didn't bring these 297 00:10:36,389 --> 00:10:33,519 people together for a television 298 00:10:36,949 --> 00:10:36,399 series i brought these people together 299 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:36,959 uh 300 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:40,399 to to to really launch this 301 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:42,959 stage of the ranch investigation you 302 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:43,440 know 303 00:10:50,470 --> 00:10:46,720 five years ago in service 304 00:10:52,630 --> 00:10:50,480 to the truth in service to discovery 305 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:52,640 and and determining whether there really 306 00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:53,760 was 307 00:11:00,870 --> 00:10:58,000 any reality and truth to the claims 308 00:11:01,990 --> 00:11:00,880 that go back decades if not millennia 309 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:02,000 regarding 310 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,240 the high strangeness and paranormal 311 00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:06,720 activity on this property 312 00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:08,079 i want to talk a little bit of high 313 00:11:11,030 --> 00:11:09,760 strangeness and we're going to talk a 314 00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:11,040 lot of high strangeness given the 315 00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:12,399 context of the interview 316 00:11:16,389 --> 00:11:14,320 but those those relationships that you 317 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:16,399 talk about are never more apparent than 318 00:11:18,389 --> 00:11:17,600 when there's a heightened sense of 319 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:18,399 danger 320 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:19,920 when we look at you know bad things 321 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:21,279 happen when you dig it was the name of 322 00:11:24,389 --> 00:11:22,560 one of the episodes and 323 00:11:26,069 --> 00:11:24,399 we've already seen uh i've been very 324 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:26,079 fortunate to see the first two episodes 325 00:11:29,110 --> 00:11:28,000 um through history his theanine network 326 00:11:30,310 --> 00:11:29,120 so thank you to them 327 00:11:32,389 --> 00:11:30,320 and it's really great and i wouldn't 328 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:32,399 give anything away however 329 00:11:35,670 --> 00:11:34,480 there there is again talk of digging and 330 00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:35,680 that always brings up 331 00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:37,680 thomas winterton's injury that happened 332 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:38,720 some time ago 333 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:40,800 now my co-host dan who you met just 334 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:42,079 before we started recording 335 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:44,240 noticed in season one there's a map on 336 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:45,680 the wall of the hq 337 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:47,839 and there were three points triangulated 338 00:11:51,269 --> 00:11:49,200 one was the ranch 339 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:51,279 one was havana cuba and i believe the 340 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:53,600 other one was at gengzhou in china 341 00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:55,600 and these are reportedly points where 342 00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:57,440 other people have picked up injuries 343 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:00,160 similar to travis sorry thomas winterton 344 00:12:03,269 --> 00:12:01,600 and that's something travis taylor 345 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:03,279 recently confirmed in an interview as 346 00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:04,560 well 347 00:12:08,949 --> 00:12:06,959 so one state department sponsored study 348 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:08,959 has reported these were likely 349 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:11,120 the result of microwave energy attacks 350 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:13,680 now this was reported by cnn yesterday 351 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:15,600 and the debrief media outlet have 352 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:17,440 reported on this as well today 353 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:19,200 have you seen much on that and is that 354 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:20,800 something you want to comment a bit more 355 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,000 on 356 00:12:26,230 --> 00:12:24,480 we we've studied you know potential 357 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:26,240 correlations 358 00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:29,440 and connections with with other um 359 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:33,279 incidents globally you know in trying to 360 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:36,399 assign cause and understand some of what 361 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:37,760 has been observed we 362 00:12:43,990 --> 00:12:41,120 of course take a very broad look 363 00:12:44,389 --> 00:12:44,000 i'm not really at liberty to discuss the 364 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:44,399 uh 365 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:46,800 the details associated with what the 366 00:12:50,389 --> 00:12:48,480 defense department has been studying 367 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:50,399 with those other locations but i will 368 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:51,600 say this 369 00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:53,680 i think the deeper the people dig the 370 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:55,279 more mysterious 371 00:13:01,910 --> 00:12:58,560 and the more unexplained the uh 372 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:01,920 the injuries and incidents appear 373 00:13:06,629 --> 00:13:04,800 uh you know assigning conventional cause 374 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:06,639 and being able to come up with uh 375 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:09,600 with with with an explanation that is 376 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:11,279 clear and straightforward 377 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:14,320 continues to evade i think even the 378 00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:18,000 the the highest level uh you know 379 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:19,760 people involved with with those 380 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,040 investigations so 381 00:13:26,949 --> 00:13:23,760 you know we're we see skinwalker ranch 382 00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:26,959 as unique as a unique center of gravity 383 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:30,880 for you know unusual phenomena but 384 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:32,639 we're not ignorant to the fact that 385 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:34,240 there are other places potentially on 386 00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:35,360 the planet 387 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:38,399 that may have similar 388 00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:41,760 um similar incidents and events 389 00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:44,639 that attend those properties uh trying 390 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:45,120 to 391 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:51,360 correlations may exist and what 392 00:13:57,030 --> 00:13:55,120 uh you know what common characteristics 393 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,040 or common signatures attend the 394 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,800 phenomena is a key part of our 395 00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:00,560 investigation 396 00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:02,000 it's almost like you read my next 397 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:03,600 question i was going to ask about 398 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:05,600 potentially other locations like 399 00:14:09,269 --> 00:14:07,120 skinwalker ranch 400 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:09,279 have you ever heard from any other 401 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:10,480 potential owners 402 00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:13,040 of sites like skinwalker ranch while you 403 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:14,399 in the basin 404 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,240 or have you ever reached out to them or 405 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:18,639 have they reached out to you 406 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:21,839 yeah we have you know we uh 407 00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:23,600 we have a relationship with a 408 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:25,600 neighboring property 409 00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:28,959 that uh that that we believe 410 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,360 you know can help us expand the scope of 411 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:33,680 the investigation that is also reported 412 00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:35,120 unusual activity 413 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:37,760 it's it's very close by there are other 414 00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:38,880 properties 415 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:41,360 that uh that have tried to exploit 416 00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:42,240 frankly the 417 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,880 the attention given to skinwalker ranch 418 00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:46,480 and have tried to draw some type of 419 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:48,079 connection or commonality and 420 00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:51,600 i think that that in a lot of cases 421 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:54,720 it how do i say this 422 00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:58,000 kindly uh you know 423 00:15:01,750 --> 00:15:00,320 there's a lack of real evidence or 424 00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:01,760 scientific 425 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:04,399 proof or rigor that has been brought to 426 00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:05,279 some of the other 427 00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:08,880 claims or the other um the other sites 428 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:12,639 uh i i find that this the more that 429 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:15,040 the more time goes by i find that 430 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:16,720 skinwalker ranch 431 00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:20,160 really is unique that in a lot of ways 432 00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:23,839 uh for whatever reason it really is a 433 00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:25,839 a unique center of gravity for the 434 00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:27,040 phenomena and 435 00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:29,120 it is it is very difficult to find 436 00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:30,399 another property that 437 00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:34,639 that is um that is experiencing the 438 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:37,759 same frequency of activity 439 00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:40,720 and i don't say that to sensationalize 440 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:41,040 or 441 00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:45,120 our investigation i just say that matter 442 00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,079 of fact 443 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:48,399 show me another effort globally show me 444 00:15:50,910 --> 00:15:49,600 another property 445 00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:50,920 another effort another 446 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,959 multi-disciplinary team utilizing 447 00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:55,440 resources and service to this 448 00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:59,040 this topic and you know i i don't think 449 00:16:02,550 --> 00:15:59,759 it exists 450 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:02,560 i think that skinwalker ranch right now 451 00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:03,440 is 452 00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,680 project of our time 453 00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:09,279 and that's not the first time i've heard 454 00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:11,199 you say that and i would agree 455 00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:13,360 why for you and your five years of 456 00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,040 stewardship you've called it now 457 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:17,839 of the ranch what makes it so unique 458 00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,160 what 459 00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:19,839 is there anything you yourself have 460 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:21,680 managed to put your finger on and say 461 00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:23,600 it's the place it's the area it's the 462 00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:24,959 people 463 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,639 it's the diversity i i think you know 464 00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,800 first and foremost you know the property 465 00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:32,639 has been in lockdown mode 466 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:35,759 has been completely secure for 467 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:39,120 now going on 25 years so to have a piece 468 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:40,320 of property that is 469 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,079 a a secure environment 470 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,480 that that has been under scientific 471 00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:49,199 study and research 472 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:52,959 and and and has been monitored 473 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:55,279 consistently for that period of time is 474 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,320 unique 475 00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:59,279 but also i i think it is important to 476 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:00,000 note that 477 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:03,680 uh that the diversity of phenomena 478 00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:06,400 that continues to persist on this 479 00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:07,520 property 480 00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:10,880 is is is exciting and 481 00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:12,799 and it's somewhat troubling because it's 482 00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,240 difficult to 483 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:17,199 to be able to to to identify the the 484 00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:18,079 origin or the 485 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:21,199 agenda associated with the high 486 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:22,319 strangeness that we 487 00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:25,360 are that we are observing and recording 488 00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,679 uh people ask me all the time whether 489 00:17:33,150 --> 00:17:29,039 whether i believe 490 00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:33,160 we are seeing 491 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,919 extraterrestrial or you know visitation 492 00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:37,440 from other worlds or whether we're 493 00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,080 seeing 494 00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,120 you know interdimensional phenomena or 495 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,039 whether we're seeing spiritual 496 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,600 phenomena you know angels and demons and 497 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,039 skinwalkers 498 00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:50,080 and the answer i think is all of the 499 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:51,039 above 500 00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:54,400 you know the evidence speaks to the fact 501 00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:54,720 that 502 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,880 we're we're not really seeing any one 503 00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,120 assignable cause or type 504 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,520 of phenomena it is a diversity and i 505 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:02,720 think there 506 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,840 there is uh there is evidence that 507 00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:07,600 points to the fact that we are 508 00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:11,360 experiencing all of those potentially 509 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,720 on the ranch given your background in 510 00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:16,480 real estate you must have walked into 511 00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,160 thousands of properties for the first 512 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:20,720 time to survey have a look around 513 00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,480 none more unique i'm sure than skin 514 00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:24,000 walker ranch itself 515 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:25,919 the first time you stepped foot on the 516 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,760 ranch what was it like and 517 00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,600 i imagine when someone buys a new home 518 00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:31,440 or a new office they spend a few minutes 519 00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:32,559 themselves 520 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:36,880 talking to the property just imagining 521 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:37,520 things 522 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,679 did you ever have that personal moment 523 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,120 in the early days where you went out 524 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,640 onto the ranch at night or during the 525 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,240 day yourself and just 526 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,160 spoke to whatever may or may not be 527 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:47,840 around 528 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,400 yeah good question at first sight of the 529 00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:52,480 property i can honestly say i was 530 00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:54,480 speechless 531 00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:58,160 my first my first tour of the property 532 00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:59,440 was coming in 533 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:02,880 via helicopter via my private helicopter 534 00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,720 and i i came with jim morse at my side 535 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,120 to inspect the property just days before 536 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:11,520 closing on it with mr bigelow 537 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,720 as we came in to the uintah basin and 538 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:16,640 came up on the property and circled the 539 00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,360 property several times 540 00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:21,120 i found that it was breathtakingly 541 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,000 beautiful the diversity of the landscape 542 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,640 the the strikingly beautiful backdrop 543 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,559 with the mesa plateau that runs the 544 00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:30,880 entire expanse of the property with cave 545 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:34,080 systems the the old you know 546 00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,600 pioneer homesteads the the waterways 547 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:39,679 that run through the property 548 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:42,960 um you know 549 00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:45,520 it really is unparalleled in its beauty 550 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,039 and its diversity 551 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,600 you could shoot an entire television 552 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:51,520 series like westworld or 553 00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,640 a john wayne you know cowboy western 554 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,440 movie 555 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:57,840 on this property because it it it 556 00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:58,480 features 557 00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,600 such incredible landscapes and that is 558 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,360 what one thing that i was completely 559 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,200 unprepared for when i first inspected 560 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,000 the property was 561 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:09,120 the beauty of the property and and how 562 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:10,240 interesting 563 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:13,840 and even intriguing the landscape is 564 00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:16,159 uh you know for the first number of 565 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,120 months of 566 00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:19,200 you know my ownership and stewardship of 567 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,400 the property 568 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,240 you know i couldn't get over the fact 569 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,240 that it was just so beautiful 570 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,400 and i i didn't find it haunting or 571 00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:28,640 troubling i didn't find it 572 00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:31,679 uh to be unusual other than uh 573 00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:34,640 you know unusual in that it it presented 574 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:35,200 a very 575 00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,280 stunning backdrop for this investigation 576 00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,159 but of course as time went on and as 577 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,159 months continued 578 00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,880 we started seeing things we started 579 00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,000 observing things we 580 00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:51,039 started recording strange phenomena that 581 00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,159 to this day 582 00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,280 remains unexplained 583 00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,520 now george knapp recently commented and 584 00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,039 i'm going to quote this this is a direct 585 00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,480 quote from george knapp 586 00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,919 there were multiple attempts at 587 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,159 communication during the bigelow era 588 00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,400 putting out certain objects and games to 589 00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:07,679 invite a response 590 00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,640 it worked twice not sure if brandon's 591 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,559 team has tried this yet but a lot i have 592 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,240 a lot of confidence in the work they are 593 00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,280 doing 594 00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:17,039 are you aware are you aware of those 595 00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:18,400 attempts at communication 596 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:22,400 and have your team tried any themselves 597 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:25,600 uh you know i i think it has been 598 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,880 publicly disclosed that the bigelow team 599 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:31,919 the participants during that era 600 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,440 uh you know performed you know 601 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,480 experiments in an that were 602 00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:41,600 unusual that at times you know were an 603 00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,880 attempt to communicate or spark 604 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,120 communication 605 00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,159 with the entities involved with the the 606 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,200 phenomena 607 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,240 you know it is often stated that what is 608 00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,240 being observed at skinwalker ranch 609 00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:59,200 involves some type of pre-cognitive 610 00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,919 sentient 611 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:02,480 intelligence and i think they they were 612 00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,120 focused 613 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,240 after years on just communicating 614 00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:09,120 with whatever those entities may be we 615 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,919 we've taken 616 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,320 a very different approach uh we we've 617 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,480 taken a more scientific approach and 618 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,520 frankly 619 00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:17,919 a you know one that is grounded in 620 00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:19,840 observational science 621 00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,880 first and foremost um and and 622 00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,200 have not delved into i think some of the 623 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,240 more 624 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,280 um controversial 625 00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,400 uh methods of uh of investigation now 626 00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,679 that doesn't mean that we're not 627 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,559 open-minded 628 00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,000 that doesn't mean that we aren't 629 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,679 inviting people 630 00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,000 you know to the property to to bring 631 00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,440 different perspectives different 632 00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:43,679 approaches to the problem set 633 00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,360 but uh they they took a very creative 634 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,799 approach at times 635 00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,520 to to really addressing the phenomena 636 00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:52,960 that we have yet 637 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,310 now let me ask you you talk about that 638 00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,240 use the word summoning 639 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,840 and that has a lot of different 640 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,520 connotations and something that has been 641 00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440 discussed quite recently and 642 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,440 as we talked another article was dropped 643 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,520 by the new york post regarding 644 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,840 uh some comments from louis lozondo and 645 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,360 people again within the 646 00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,960 the halls of government in the united 647 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,880 states that see this 648 00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,360 phenomenon as being you know demonic 649 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,640 potentially which 650 00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,799 again has a whole range of connotations 651 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,559 and you're obviously a man of faith as 652 00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:26,000 well that's been well publicized and 653 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:26,640 something 654 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,760 that would put 655 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:32,320 you or others working on the ranch off 656 00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,880 given 657 00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,280 your your strong faith that you wouldn't 658 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,880 want to necessarily 659 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,200 attempt that sort of communication or is 660 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:40,960 it the danger element that may or may 661 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,710 good question uh 662 00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:51,909 we're dealing with phenomena that 663 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:56,799 is that is dangerous we we believe that 664 00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:57,120 we're 665 00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,360 benevolent 666 00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,640 entities based on the experiences and 667 00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:05,919 the evidence collected 668 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,799 and i think approaching the ranch with 669 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:11,520 the degree of reverence and humility 670 00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,760 is important to to maintaining 671 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,440 not only the safety of those involved 672 00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,360 but also being able to 673 00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,919 discover the truth of what is what is 674 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,120 happening here 675 00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:26,320 uh you know there's much said about the 676 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,039 fact that 677 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,799 you know participants in the 678 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,640 investigation in the past 679 00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:33,760 have had things follow them home they've 680 00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,159 had 681 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,720 phenomena that have traveled with them 682 00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:38,880 back to their place of residence and 683 00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,440 terrorized their families in some cases 684 00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,799 there are a number of military 685 00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,760 operatives and 686 00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,440 former science you know former 687 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,679 scientific consultants that refuse 688 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,000 to ever set foot on this property ever 689 00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,320 again for the rest of their lives simply 690 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,279 because 691 00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,400 they they believe that disturbing events 692 00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:57,679 have followed them 693 00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,640 as a result of their engagement with the 694 00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,000 property 695 00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:05,279 i take those claims i take those those 696 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,559 uh 697 00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:09,600 those statements very seriously and so 698 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:10,159 we 699 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:14,799 careful 700 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,400 with the investigative protocols 701 00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,320 that we're putting into place and really 702 00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,559 the nature of the experiments 703 00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,640 that were we're bringing to the table 704 00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,120 and frankly unveiling to the general 705 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,720 public you know it's 706 00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:31,120 it's not just you know instrumented 707 00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,919 rockets 708 00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,960 and balloons and ground penetrating 709 00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:37,120 radar studies but it's it's also 710 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,840 bringing in 711 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,840 other experts that can help us better 712 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,720 understand potentially what is at play 713 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,480 what does it work here at skinwalker 714 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,640 ranch that will help us advance the 715 00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:47,840 investigation and 716 00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:51,760 i think being very careful not to invite 717 00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:55,279 or to provoke potentially negative 718 00:26:03,350 --> 00:25:59,760 phenomena um is is something that we 719 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,360 we are sensitive to i've got one more 720 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,960 question i want to ask before i get to 721 00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,760 talking about 722 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,760 season two of the secret skin walker 723 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,360 ranch now 724 00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,200 like we said you're a man of faith and 725 00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,880 uh you've commented on previous 726 00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,120 recent interviews that your experiences 727 00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,120 with skinwalker ranch have only 728 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,000 reaffirmed and made your faith stronger 729 00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,520 what are your thoughts on how 730 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,279 other religions could potentially 731 00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,400 integrate any form of disclosure 732 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,720 or goings on into their faiths going 733 00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,080 forward do you see that being a 734 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,159 potential issue as and when information 735 00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,320 does come out 736 00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,320 good question you know people ask me all 737 00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,159 the time whether what 738 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,200 what i have been experiencing and and 739 00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,600 conducting at the ranch you know 740 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:45,679 conflicts with my faith 741 00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,720 with uh with my religious upbringing 742 00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,279 and the honest answer is that i i i was 743 00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,039 raised to believe that there are worlds 744 00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,640 without number and that we're not alone 745 00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,000 in the universe 746 00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,080 and i believe that that what we're 747 00:27:03,190 --> 00:26:59,919 observing at skinwalker ranch 748 00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,200 is actually faith affirming 749 00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:05,679 and faith promoting in a lot of ways you 750 00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,240 know 751 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,520 the idea that that not only um 752 00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,600 you know we may be visited but also that 753 00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,000 there are other dimensions of reality 754 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,799 just as real that sit just beyond our 755 00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,240 perception 756 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,799 but that may be interacting with us i 757 00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,480 think uh 758 00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,600 i think is it it's exciting 759 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,399 it's thought-provoking and it calls into 760 00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,240 question the very nature of our 761 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,480 existence on this planet i mean 762 00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,480 where did we come from why are we here 763 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,399 where are we going those time 764 00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,480 oh you know those time-honored questions 765 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,080 that have been asked 766 00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,960 by by people you know for thousands of 767 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,159 years i think 768 00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,520 to a degree may be answered 769 00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:50,240 through our investigation and what we 770 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,039 are uh 771 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,360 what we are delving into at skinwalker 772 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,120 ranch 773 00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,600 given the previous uh involvement with 774 00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,840 the us government during the bigelow era 775 00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,399 do you feel there are any repercussions 776 00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:05,200 or consequences of the upcoming uap task 777 00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,240 force report 778 00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,480 potentially coming out obviously a lot 779 00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,080 of talk it may be delayed 780 00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,080 could that affect the investigation or 781 00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,520 could that have any betting on what 782 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,520 happens going forward for you 783 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:18,559 no we're operating independently 784 00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,760 you know i by design i've kept this as a 785 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,120 private 786 00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,840 uh effort you know i do not hold any 787 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,039 security clearances 788 00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:30,240 we are not engaged with you know 789 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,000 the government or any you know 790 00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,640 public interests relative to the 791 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:37,600 investigation 792 00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:41,200 i i i applaud 793 00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,559 and support any efforts for disclosure 794 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,480 for you know informing the public 795 00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,480 relative to to what is going on and 796 00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,919 really the nature 797 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,880 of of our world and our reality but you 798 00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,760 know we 799 00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,720 we're on our own path and conducting a 800 00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:58,320 very dynamic 801 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,240 research study that i believe is uh 802 00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,960 is focused on results and is focused on 803 00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,240 getting to the bottom 804 00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,679 of of of answering these questions 805 00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:12,880 and i don't know that uh that 806 00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,520 that government channels are going to be 807 00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,399 in a position 808 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,520 to either shed light 809 00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,559 on those on those topics 810 00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,000 at least to the degree uh that 811 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,200 that would satisfy concerns um i 812 00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,200 i think our private sector approach is 813 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,080 unique and uniquely qualified to bring 814 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,080 truth forward and to i think reveal 815 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:41,200 uh the nature of of really the phenomena 816 00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,000 and 817 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,120 you know the the the core claims 818 00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:51,190 now season two the secret skin walker 819 00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,399 ranch that's what 820 00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,039 you're here to talk about as well and i 821 00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,640 loved the first two episodes i was a big 822 00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,080 fan of the first series 823 00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,080 this podcast was in its very early days 824 00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,559 and myself and my co-host dan 825 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,919 we've done a watch along with every 826 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,760 episode and we commented and talked 827 00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,399 about it 828 00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,679 and we'll be bringing that back for the 829 00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,440 new series but another view format 830 00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,200 rather than watching along now it 831 00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,279 premieres on the fourth of may in the us 832 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,559 on history at 10 or 9 p.m central 833 00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,080 like i said i was really fortunate to 834 00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,159 see the first two episodes of season two 835 00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,159 and it gets right into things there's no 836 00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,399 messing about there's no slow build 837 00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,080 it's straight into that high level 838 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,000 scientific investigation 839 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,039 yeah we don't screw around um and and we 840 00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:32,720 are very fortunate to see 841 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,919 immediate activity and results and and 842 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:37,360 none of this is contrived 843 00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,720 there is nothing faked nothing contrived 844 00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,880 it is it it is a hundred percent 845 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:44,399 authentic and true 846 00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:48,399 you know and and that that continues 847 00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,240 uh to be the uh the number one priority 848 00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,919 associated with this investigative 849 00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:55,440 series present 850 00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,960 the truth um and and frankly 851 00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,440 you know inform the public relative to 852 00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,799 what we are doing what 853 00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,559 what we are experiencing with our 854 00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,919 investigation i mean i 855 00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,240 i look at you know what we are about 856 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,559 ready to unveil in season two 857 00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:13,360 and it feels like christmas eve it feels 858 00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,159 like 859 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,039 um you know you know we're at a pivotal 860 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,120 moment to be able to 861 00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,480 to unveil a lot of new not only 862 00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,159 experiments but also the result of uh 863 00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,399 you know advancing the investigation 864 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,600 that we saw this past 865 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,240 year again i you've probably you've 866 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:33,840 probably heard me state 867 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,039 that i i believe we revealed more in the 868 00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:38,640 first 20 minutes 869 00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,159 of our first episode um of of really 870 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:43,840 kicking off this series than 871 00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,440 than i'd seen in 20 years relative to 872 00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,559 these topics 873 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,880 in the in the public domain and we look 874 00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,080 forward to 875 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,159 to continuing to inform the public and 876 00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,440 really you know 877 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:58,080 letting everyone have a front row seat 878 00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:58,720 to 879 00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,760 it's a 880 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,679 you know a lot of it you know science 881 00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,440 isn't always exciting you know you're 882 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,640 not going to have 883 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:09,440 strange things happen at all times um 884 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:10,640 you can't 885 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,640 paranormal 886 00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,679 or high strangeness you just have to 887 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,600 you just have to go about your business 888 00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:21,600 in a very honest authentic way 889 00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:24,640 and just let let things happen as they 890 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,279 happen 891 00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,880 and i think that what you see with the 892 00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:28,559 team is a 893 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:32,559 is is is a very unprecedented effort to 894 00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,320 to reveal the day-to-day activities 895 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,279 and experiences on this uh this very 896 00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,440 unique piece 897 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,279 now of property this spoiler free for 898 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,720 people obviously and earlier on you 899 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:46,559 mentioned waterways and that plays a 900 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,120 part in 901 00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,960 one of the first episodes i had to 902 00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,559 explain to my wife why what they were 903 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,919 doing was relevant and 904 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,440 you make a really good point that you 905 00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:55,440 are filming an ongoing scientific 906 00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,559 investigation 907 00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,320 the same reason people can't just walk 908 00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,840 onto the ranch the same reason the 909 00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,679 security fences up for 910 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,440 both the ranch and people's personal 911 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,840 protection now 912 00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,320 portals is a word that was used easy for 913 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:10,399 me to say in a scottish accent um and 914 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:10,960 the 915 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:14,480 that's quite an eyebrow razor when you 916 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,880 hear 917 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,960 portals are opening up can you give us a 918 00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,240 little bit of an indication 919 00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,480 as to what what our experiences may have 920 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,159 gone on to do with that 921 00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,480 you bet you know if you look back on the 922 00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,000 history of the property 923 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,960 you know under the bigelow uh era in the 924 00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,760 bigelow 925 00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,880 team's investigation they had eyewitness 926 00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,399 accounts of portals 927 00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,399 opening up in the sky or opening up 928 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,000 right above the homesteads 929 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,559 you know specifically over homestead 2 930 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:42,240 and homestead 3 931 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,760 where you know various phenomena would 932 00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:47,279 come in and out 933 00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,799 of those portals on the property 934 00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,720 and you know one thing that we've tried 935 00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,399 to do is is 936 00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:57,440 is investigate whether whether there is 937 00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,919 some 938 00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,840 truth to those claims and whether there 939 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,080 are portals on this property and 940 00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,440 what what evidence may exist 941 00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,600 or what environmental conditions may 942 00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,040 exist that allow 943 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,240 for that type of phenomena to exist 944 00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:15,280 on the property and so we we bring 945 00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:18,839 a higher level of of 946 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,159 equipment and instrumentation 947 00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,280 to to this season two effort 948 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,919 in service to really delving into 949 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,760 whether there really are 950 00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,240 um strange things occurring 951 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:33,599 environmentally that would 952 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,119 point to portal activity on the property 953 00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,320 you mentioned various phenomena and 954 00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,800 it's got me thinking that people always 955 00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,000 talk ufos 956 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,839 aliens ghosts orbs dire werewolf type 957 00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,800 creatures 958 00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,240 is there anything that just isn't 959 00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,159 mentioned but you're aware of but people 960 00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,440 just don't talk about 961 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:56,399 have i left something off of that list 962 00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,119 well 963 00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,520 their orbs you know what would appear to 964 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,480 be intelli 965 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,280 intelligently controlled orbs that's 966 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,560 that appear 967 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,359 on the property that have been reported 968 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:08,560 for 969 00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,599 cattle mutilation phenomena 970 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,160 has been real you know the the fact that 971 00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,440 animals 972 00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,839 um have been impacted i mean in season 973 00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:20,960 one we had 974 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,320 a cow die uh we believe you know 975 00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,640 suspiciously i mean you know to take a 976 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:28,640 perfectly healthy calf 977 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,800 and within a a very short abbreviated 978 00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:35,920 period of time to see it die 979 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,160 from stress-induced pneumonia 980 00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,960 and and and the events surrounding that 981 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:44,079 death to be 982 00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,160 very very um mysterious i mean 983 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,079 electromagnetic anomalies when you have 984 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,520 both iphone 985 00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,320 and samsung galaxy devices that are 986 00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,000 acting strangely 987 00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,200 and then all of the instrumentation um 988 00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,640 reacting to something that uh was 989 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,640 definitely unusual going on and then to 990 00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,800 pull up the camera surveillance 991 00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:09,839 and to see an object that appeared 992 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:13,119 in the sky right above that animal as it 993 00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:20,950 it's it's it is some of the most 994 00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,440 disturbing and intriguing 995 00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,560 activity that has ever been captured on 996 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,839 camera and witnessed 997 00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,000 on this property i mean going back 998 00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:34,000 decades the sherman family the previous 999 00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,960 owners before 1000 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:37,680 bigelow had you know many of their 1001 00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,160 prized 1002 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:41,520 cattle end up mutilated with surgical 1003 00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:42,480 precision 1004 00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:46,160 in broad daylight drained of their blood 1005 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:50,079 no blood on or around these animals 1006 00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:54,640 yet surgically dissected within 1007 00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,000 within minutes and 1008 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,359 and no conventional explanation but 1009 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,400 but to see you know indentations 1010 00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,440 depressions in the fields 1011 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,680 of something some type of craft or 1012 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:10,880 object that 1013 00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:13,920 that that apparently attended 1014 00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,440 some of these events potentially 1015 00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:20,240 just adds to the mystery you know i 1016 00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:20,960 think you know 1017 00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,599 it's it's no keep going 1018 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,040 any questions i just wanted to ask do 1019 00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,880 you have a favorite moment yeah 1020 00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,040 of the second season do you have like a 1021 00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,079 favorite moment that you can talk about 1022 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:37,920 ooh that i can speak about um 1023 00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,440 wow well i it's it 1024 00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,040 there are so many things that happened 1025 00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,640 during season two 1026 00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:48,000 um during filming this past year 1027 00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:52,960 with the team you know one thing that we 1028 00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,560 that we did that that i 1029 00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,599 i was not willing to do during the 1030 00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,000 filming of season one 1031 00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,720 was uh we put into service the 1032 00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:06,240 helicopter 1033 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,560 a part of the investigation and what we 1034 00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:14,400 witnessed 1035 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,119 was stunning 1036 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:22,000 uh i can't say anything more but uh you 1037 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,200 know 1038 00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:26,400 the trailers the the previews to season 1039 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,119 two 1040 00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,440 you catch glimpses of what we do 1041 00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,680 everything from more aggressive digging 1042 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,440 and exploration on the property to 1043 00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,760 utilizing laser technology 1044 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,640 in new innovative ways to investigate 1045 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,760 the phenomena to 1046 00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,640 also using our aviation assets in 1047 00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,440 service to 1048 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,800 exploring what lies above the ranch 1049 00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,160 as we are also investigating what may 1050 00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,839 lie below the ranch 1051 00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,720 is it is really key to elevating the 1052 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,480 nature of our investigation and 1053 00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:58,560 it sets us apart from anything else 1054 00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,430 now i've got a couple of listener 1055 00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,280 questions for you just to finish off 1056 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,119 but could i ask before we get to those 1057 00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,720 if you could sum up in just a few 1058 00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,920 sentences 1059 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,160 what is going on at skinwalker ranch how 1060 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:14,160 might that sound 1061 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,109 skinwalker ranch continues to be the 1062 00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:23,040 most scientifically studied paranormal 1063 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,480 hotspot 1064 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,760 on the planet this 512 acre piece of 1065 00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:28,800 property 1066 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,480 is part of an active ongoing scientific 1067 00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:34,560 investigation 1068 00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:39,839 that continues 24 7 365 days a year 1069 00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:43,359 we have engaged experts 1070 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,480 everyone from an on-site 1071 00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:49,760 credentialed anthropologist full-time 1072 00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:52,960 to physicists with 1073 00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:56,480 credentials and expertise 1074 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,800 that that bring a level of focus and 1075 00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,119 scientific rigor 1076 00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:06,079 that is unparalleled to this 1077 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,119 investigation 1078 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:10,560 and to these topics and we look forward 1079 00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,280 to 1080 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,480 answering many of these questions that 1081 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,240 have been posed 1082 00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,640 for thousands of years relative to the 1083 00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,240 nature of our existence and the nature 1084 00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,760 of our world hopefully 1085 00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,040 on this property it is quite literally a 1086 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:28,079 living laboratory 1087 00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,400 in service to studying the phenomena 1088 00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,560 now i got a lot of questions sent in for 1089 00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,240 you of which many i'll have to keep for 1090 00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,920 another time brandon but i've got a few 1091 00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,119 just to put to you 1092 00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,800 um steven wanted to know would you be 1093 00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,720 doing another live feed like you've done 1094 00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,599 previously 1095 00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,839 with the webcams directly onto the ranch 1096 00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,880 yeah good question 1097 00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,440 we in partnership with newsweek or no it 1098 00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,280 wasn't newsweek it was in partnership 1099 00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,560 with reddit 1100 00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,040 this last year had a live stream i think 1101 00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:59,440 it was a 24-hour live stream 1102 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,119 live stream where the public really saw 1103 00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,200 through you know many of our 1104 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,880 surveillance cameras 1105 00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,800 what we are monitoring on the ranch and 1106 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,880 were were given a sneak peek 1107 00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,680 at really the day-to-day activity on the 1108 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,000 property i'm not sure if that is set up 1109 00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,520 if that has been coordinated for uh 1110 00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:22,079 this coming week with the team i mean 1111 00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,119 these things take 1112 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,520 a level of coordination in order to live 1113 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,560 stream 1114 00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,880 and and really in order to access our 1115 00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,640 proprietary systems 1116 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,319 and we've established a scientific 1117 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:34,480 platform there on site in the command 1118 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,200 center 1119 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,560 that is unique and opening that up for 1120 00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,800 a live stream and for public access or 1121 00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,079 at least viewing 1122 00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,000 is something that that requires a little 1123 00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,920 bit of coordination i am more than 1124 00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,800 willing 1125 00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:50,400 to to do so again and if not this coming 1126 00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:50,960 week 1127 00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,079 we we look forward to to having that be 1128 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,680 a part of future engagement with the 1129 00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,560 public so 1130 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,480 we're we're looking into it uh but i'm 1131 00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,960 not sure whether we're doing that 1132 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,359 in connection with uh season two launch 1133 00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,520 it as of yet 1134 00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,079 uh david lorimer asked has the team and 1135 00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:09,920 their investigations detected any 1136 00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:12,560 powerful radio frequencies or x-band 1137 00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,319 radar emissions well start the ranch 1138 00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,160 yes all the time but 1139 00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:23,440 it's transient it's unpredictable 1140 00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:27,599 and it moves to different positions 1141 00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:31,119 on the property 1142 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,599 even though we see repeated occurrences 1143 00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,760 and and we've been collecting data on 1144 00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:38,800 those events 1145 00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:41,760 on a regular basis it is completely 1146 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:45,680 unpredictable and transient 1147 00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,200 stay tuned interesting answer 1148 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,119 this next question i had to read four or 1149 00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:53,520 five times and get my co-host opinion on 1150 00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,240 it because 1151 00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,599 it's really different but i thought i'd 1152 00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,560 put this to you so rather be squidding 1153 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,280 asked skinwalker ranch sits on the 1154 00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,880 phosphoria formation 1155 00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,599 which is uranium-bearing phosphate rock 1156 00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:07,359 phosphorus is the most rare essential 1157 00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,319 element of life 1158 00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,240 and our unsustainable use of it may be 1159 00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,920 quite interesting to an observing 1160 00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,960 intelligence 1161 00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,119 has brandon ever considered a connection 1162 00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,880 to this rock or the mining of it that 1163 00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,280 goes on near the ranch 1164 00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,839 uh yes we we have actually been studying 1165 00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,160 the geology 1166 00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,839 of not only the property but the 1167 00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,200 surrounding area 1168 00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,680 again i i believed when i acquired the 1169 00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,359 property that there was a natural 1170 00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,680 prosaic explanation associated with the 1171 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,400 phenomena 1172 00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,240 that had been reported you know i 1173 00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,560 believe that there was a likely 1174 00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,599 tight and connection to seismic activity 1175 00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,040 and the geology 1176 00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:46,160 that would explain uh you know a lot of 1177 00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,599 the unique 1178 00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:50,880 uh events that had been 1179 00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:54,560 reported for for so long 1180 00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,400 uh interestingly we have not 1181 00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:02,000 been able to ascribe any 1182 00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:06,560 natural cause to many of the events 1183 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,910 oh the incidents of high strangeness 1184 00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,280 that have occurred 1185 00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,160 so we'll continue to study it but even 1186 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,920 though we're aware of the geology the 1187 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,160 geology does not seem to be playing a 1188 00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:23,760 role 1189 00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,040 yet with with respect to the phenomena 1190 00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,000 or at least explaining you know 1191 00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,200 providing explanation 1192 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,200 barry asks are there any specific times 1193 00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:37,200 of year that you have noticed more or 1194 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,319 less activity 1195 00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:40,400 any patterns that match previous studies 1196 00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,309 uh you know we we actually 1197 00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,119 study the historical data the historical 1198 00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,960 narrative relative to the property we've 1199 00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,800 been collaborating with 1200 00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,839 you know mr bigelow's you know former 1201 00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,640 team members 1202 00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,720 and scientists in service to better 1203 00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,079 understanding 1204 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,720 the framework associated with the ranch 1205 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,720 and the history and what has transpired 1206 00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,400 in the past and whether there are 1207 00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,440 you know correlations um or 1208 00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,640 new insights that can be gleaned um 1209 00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,720 by virtue of our investigation looking 1210 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,800 back on on what they had 1211 00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,119 what they had observed but you know a 1212 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:22,880 lot of what we are doing is really 1213 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:26,160 brand new it's opening a new chapter 1214 00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:30,640 and conducting a completely 1215 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,640 new and elevated level of investigation 1216 00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,920 relative to the property and to finish 1217 00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,680 up brandon uh to show you the reach of 1218 00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,400 the program 1219 00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,960 my five-year-old son had a question and 1220 00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,400 this is from charlie 1221 00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,560 he wants to know is there a spaceship 1222 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,480 under the ranch 1223 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,520 well charlie i'm gonna find out um 1224 00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,440 that's a good question there's 1225 00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,960 definitely something going on 1226 00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:57,760 both above and below the property and 1227 00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,319 you know 1228 00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,520 that's one explanation for 1229 00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,839 why we continue to see strange things 1230 00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,680 happen on the property 1231 00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,000 but uh stay tuned that's something that 1232 00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,920 we are definitely investigating and 1233 00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,280 exploring and maybe 1234 00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:14,480 a you know it may be an explanation it 1235 00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,040 may be an 1236 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,640 answer good question he so 1237 00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,920 yeah he saw me watching one of the 1238 00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,599 episodes last year where travis taylor 1239 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,440 was doing the ground penetrating radar 1240 00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,640 and drew the shape 1241 00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,000 and the first thing he said at four 1242 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,359 years old at the time was that looks 1243 00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,960 like a spaceship so 1244 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,319 i asked him today and he brought that 1245 00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,240 back up so yeah 1246 00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,079 we're that's that's a good question and 1247 00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,599 it's something that we're um 1248 00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:38,640 studying and uh that we'll be 1249 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,000 actually delving into in season two 1250 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,760 any final words for the listeners and 1251 00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,440 viewers brandon 1252 00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,160 yeah i just want to thank everyone for 1253 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,599 following our journey 1254 00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,400 and this is this is a new experience for 1255 00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,200 all of us 1256 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,760 uh again none of us with the exception 1257 00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,240 of dr taylor had ever been on television 1258 00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:01,760 had any experience with being filmed and 1259 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,280 you know we really appreciate everyone 1260 00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,680 following our journey and being 1261 00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,319 interested 1262 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,359 in these same topics we we're excited 1263 00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,800 to to reveal what we have been 1264 00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,880 discovering what we have been observing 1265 00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,040 and we think that this is really 1266 00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,280 important it's exciting 1267 00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:24,240 and uh and we we appreciate everyone's 1268 00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,359 uh 1269 00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:28,160 interest and also patience because i you 1270 00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,040 know 1271 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:31,599 we're we're we're right there with you 1272 00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:32,240 in 1273 00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,319 to understand 1274 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,520 what is uh what is at work and so 1275 00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,200 i just want to thank everyone for being 1276 00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,599 so kind being interested 1277 00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,480 and and really being positive in their 1278 00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,520 voice 1279 00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:50,480 um you know in in following our journey 1280 00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,880 and 1281 00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,000 we we look forward to to having you 1282 00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,599 along for the ride 1283 00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,559 and opening the gates both figuratively 1284 00:48:02,950 --> 00:47:59,839 and literally 1285 00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:02,960 uh to to allow you you know an 1286 00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,720 unprecedented view of our investigation 1287 00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:09,839 uh get ready for for a lot more 1288 00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,839 to come we're just getting warmed up 1289 00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,520 and folks you can watch the secret skin 1290 00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,960 walker ranch this 1291 00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:19,440 tuesday the fourth of may 10 9 pm 1292 00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,000 central 1293 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,000 that's for our viewers in the us and 1294 00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,000 i'll send out correspondence nearer the 1295 00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:26,000 time as it becomes available around the 1296 00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,960 world 1297 00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,040 that is all for this week's show thank 1298 00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,720 you very much for listening 1299 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,559 please remember to leave the podcast 1300 00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,720 review on your chosen platform 1301 00:48:39,430 --> 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00:50:23,119 they've been against you and me 1317 00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,430 [Music] 1318 00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,720 for your being serious your heart 1319 00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:42,800 consider time consider your space 1320 00:51:01,470 --> 00:50:54,640 consider your lies 1321 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:09,349 saucer food wasn't a tic tac and not 1322 00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:22,810 quite a saucer 1323 00:52:02,829 --> 00:51:37,500 it's very different